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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2009
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    Also, fourth page. What an honor.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
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    Sasquatch:
    Joshua:
    worm: Shouldn't it read 15/m/ca?
     
     
    You kind of missed the joke haha: Should be more like 68/M/NK
     
     
    I think you missed his joke.
     
     
    You missed the joke more. Obviously.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
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    Page 4Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
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    damn 4 pages of nonsence that really mattersLooking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
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    asdf:
    Sasquatch:
    Joshua:
    worm: Shouldn't it read 15/m/ca?
     
     
    You kind of missed the joke haha: Should be more like 68/M/NK
     
     
    I think you missed his joke.
     
     
    You missed the joke more. Obviously.
     
     
    Que?
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      CommentAuthorKen
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2009
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    Suzukiman- This is dose not sound like the kind of Country I want to live in...  
    • The redistribution of land  
    • Equalizing wealth through a heavy progressive or graduated income tax  
    • Abolishing all rights of inheritance  
    • Confiscating property from emigrants and rebels  
    • Factories and instruments of production should be owned by the State  
    • All credit should be in State banks  
    • All people are equally obliged to work  
    • All children should receive free education in public schools  
     
    Besides, I'm going to have to stick with the other 80% of the World and stick to a Capitalist Market Structure...  
    Like I said, the country that you are looking for is out there, all you have to do is move.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2009
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    no it isn't actually. The simple reason being is people exist so the "country" I am looking for can't exist.  
     
    With your capitalism you want to always be on the ground looking up remember 80% of the world was turning to some form of communism trying to attain a pure form of it where there would be no dollar or even a government. Then the US said it was bad. I have a question if you had a choice between living in a society where oppression runs rampant due to "money" or would you rather sit on a quiet dock all night and stargaze possibly watch satellites go by.  
     
    also there is no authority to take away the point is you give for the common good or move to a different country. since there is no credit or money involved there is no banks much less a state to run them. Things like education would be decided upon a vote by the community. There wouldn't be any monetary inheritance do to the lack of money. If you received a gift it would have effectively a monetary value of 0. Since nobody owns any land there cant be any land inheritance either. This type of pure communism completely relies upon people not being greedy, selfish, unlawful, and dishonest, something humans simply aren't capable of. This type of communism would have a 0% unemployment rate 0% crime rate 0 debt 0 poor 0 "slums" possibly one of the best health care and educational systems out there it may even maintain being one of the most advance technological "government" ever due to no money needed for research.  
     
     
    Just remember in a capitalist society unless you own alot your not going to go far even if you try. Rags to riches is not a typical outcome no matter how many times you hear about it.  
     
     
    so picking apart your statement.  
     
    • The redistribution of land  
    everyone gets what they need to do what they need to do why do you need more?  
     
    • Equalizing wealth through a heavy progressive or graduated income tax  
    there is no tax there is no wealth there is no government or ruling party to take the tax  
     
    • Abolishing all rights of inheritance  
    no money so no inheritance of money and nobody is going to separate you from your great grandmas jewelry collection  
     
    • Confiscating property from emigrants and rebels  
    There is no point in confiscating they are given land if they own some outside of the community great also their cash is useless.  
     
    • Factories and instruments of production should be owned by the State  
    no government they are simply run out of necessity of the community  
     
    • All credit should be in State banks  
    no money or government no need for banks or their beaurocricy  
     
    • All people are equally obliged to work  
    and whats so bad about that unless you simply like living off welfare smokin dope all day  
     
    • All children should receive free education in public school  
    whats so bad about this if they are community run schools remember there is no government or funding telling the schools what to do there is only popular vote.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
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    None of that sounds TERRIBLE, what gets me is when Livejournal is banned and bloggers get arrested for promoting a band not government approved. And they lip had a cute girl lip synch the olympics!Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2009
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    Well in the communism I support none of that would happen there would be no need for it and no authority to do so due to no government trying to keep rule.  
     
    Remember the rather failed communes during hippy rage well those were really drug induced but otherwise everyone got along and made stuff happen or in their cases failed to try or try and failed, but the principal is the same. everyone would be happy following the unwritten rules of the society. There wouldnt be anything to complain about and write about in protest because there isnt anything to protest there isnt anything saying yes or no which is why everyone would have to work together, see: not possible. If everyone could the world would be a wholly different place.  
     
    If you can find something to protest about if there isn't any government, city officials, taxes, laws, unemployment, war, oppression, poverty, homelessness, anything having to do with money, and even equal rights. The only thing I can think of is traffic you can complain about traffic oh and the weather.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorKen
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2009
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    Do you honestly believe this? The problem that I see with this fiction is as follows:  
    • The redistribution of land  
    everyone gets what they need to do what they need to do why do you need more?  
    Everyone would need to be in the same style of home… how monotonous…destruction of human creativity and expression.  
     
    • Equalizing wealth through a heavy progressive or graduated income tax  
    there is no tax there is no wealth there is no government or ruling party to take the tax  
    No government or ruling party? So you have communism take the evil out of man, mental health becomes congruent across the boards, no one commits murder because everyone gets what they need? No system of law? You are missing something in your perfect system…humans are not perfect!  
     
    • Abolishing all rights of inheritance  
    no money so no inheritance of money and nobody is going to separate you from your great grandmas jewelry collection  
    No need to work hard in life to better the life of your children…they are doomed to a life of meritocracy anyways…  
     
    • Confiscating property from emigrants and rebels  
    There is no point in confiscating they are given land if they own some outside of the community great also their cash is useless.  
    So you think that a country that becomes strong and independent will rise without outside influences and that you have all of the resources in your one country to survive without trade…I’m curious to see what model you based this off of?  
     
    • Factories and instruments of production should be owned by the State  
    no government they are simply run out of necessity of the community  
    And who monitors the company and how do you have the right people in place to monitor production, or do you feel that it runs itself out of necessity? I’m sorry but why would you want more responsibility without some sort of compensation?  
     
    • All credit should be in State banks  
    no money or government no need for banks or their beaurocricy  
    So nothing valuable to protect in your life…is everyone getting this?  
     
    • All people are equally obliged to work  
    and whats so bad about that unless you simply like living off welfare smokin dope all day  
    The problem with this is that every child out there would be subjected to having both parents working and would slow the progress of the human race and its development…you know studies do show that the average child dose benefit from a parent staying at home…I guess this makes the average child just that more average!  
     
    • All children should receive free education in public school  
    I guess this is not that bad, except that kids won’t be striving anyways because they are all going to live the same mediocrity in life that the kid that slacks off and dose not strive to better themselves…It’s like having a pole with a carrot at the end of a string…only there is no carrot.
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      CommentAuthorsialer
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2009
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    I didn't read your last post ken but I promise this will be simple for you suzukiman.  
    The people gain whatever riches they earn and someone is making these riches -hence hearing stories of rags to riches. this may be as rare as winning the lottery but not random at all. If you have ambition then you will make it. if you are lazy well then you won't. The government will always try to move towards socialism and communism. I don't need you to tell me all about your perfect communistic state because that's not what I want and it's not better than free market. Free markets are ruled by the ambitious not the rich. Wealth is a side effect of ambition. we cannot not say that we know what each individual mans happiness holds so we must give him the maximum amount of range. all men are equal so we cannot give some men more range than others. Therefore we have equal rights and a communist state cannot make everyone happy unless they are all voluntary. I will not volunteer myself so get the fuck out with this commy BS. Re-focusing once again free markets allow people to trade fairly what wealth they have for what wealth they want. what they think will make them happy. if you want schools that are free for all then build a school and pay for it yourself and make it free of charge for others.Ignorance is bliss... but only to those who don't know better.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2009
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    yes as i said the problem with this society is humans. that is why this society ends up being forced and turns into a dictatorship really really fast. which isnt the same as communism.  
     
    Do you honestly believe this? The problem that I see with this fiction is as follows:  
    • The redistribution of land  
    everyone gets what they need to do what they need to do why do you need more?  
    Everyone would need to be in the same style of home… how monotonous…destruction of human creativity and expression.  
    ... an endless sea of endlessly more trackhouses in suburbs and or apartment buildings .... hey we have that now .... in pastels even ..... remind me to paint my house like a custom car, possibly 3 tone maybe black bright red and a dark red.  
     
    • Equalizing wealth through a heavy progressive or graduated income tax  
    there is no tax there is no wealth there is no government or ruling party to take the tax  
    No government or ruling party? So you have communism take the evil out of man, mental health becomes congruent across the boards, no one commits murder because everyone gets what they need? No system of law? You are missing something in your perfect system…humans are not perfect!  
    ... That is what prevents it is the evil of man and that is why there has to be a law system which with this evil is always corrupt anyway.  
     
    • Abolishing all rights of inheritance  
    no money so no inheritance of money and nobody is going to separate you from your great grandmas jewelry collection  
    No need to work hard in life to better the life of your children…they are doomed to a life of meritocracy anyways…  
    ... but bettering life on a whole through advancing technology is the point to working hard, not for stuff and things. Stuff and things don't mean anything without true sentimental value. Infact the only time stuff and things mean anything is when there is a value on them be it monetary, fun, sentimental, a statement, etc.  
     
    • Confiscating property from emigrants and rebels  
    There is no point in confiscating they are given land if they own some outside of the community great also their cash is useless.  
    So you think that a country that becomes strong and independent will rise without outside influences and that you have all of the resources in your one country to survive without trade…I’m curious to see what model you based this off of?  
    ... People being able to get along and generally not cause problems but rather help further any goal that will help mankind. If you race to do something first you could have done it sooner, better, and safer by cooperating with the competition.  
     
    • Factories and instruments of production should be owned by the State  
    no government they are simply run out of necessity of the community  
    And who monitors the company and how do you have the right people in place to monitor production, or do you feel that it runs itself out of necessity? I’m sorry but why would you want more responsibility without some sort of compensation?  
    ... The person voted to run the company runs the company presumably someone that has good resource management skills. People are appointed and or voted into the spots for overseeing things like production, this type of job structure will eliminate the too-many-chiefs-not-enough-Indians scenario of many companies. For compensation due to responsibility you get a bigger hand in how the company runs you would also get the satisfaction of doing something good for everyone. You cant be held liable for nearly as many issues unless it is directly your fault as in you ordered workers not to use xyz restraint while doing something.  
     
    • All credit should be in State banks  
    no money or government no need for banks or their beaurocricy  
    So nothing valuable to protect in your life…is everyone getting this?  
    ... This really depends on your definition of value. Remember money has zero value at all until someone says I want that. The values of this society would be much simpler, see that the next generation lives even better than before and everyone is as happy as can possibly be evenly across the board.  
     
    • All people are equally obliged to work  
    and whats so bad about that unless you simply like living off welfare smokin dope all day  
    The problem with this is that every child out there would be subjected to having both parents working and would slow the progress of the human race and its development…you know studies do show that the average child dose benefit from a parent staying at home…I guess this makes the average child just that more average!  
    ... Kids would be in school. There would be no homework when the parents get off work they pick up the kids. The kids would learn everything from technical skills to manufacturing in a well set up real world environment. They would be taught things like time management, resource management, engineering, science, and how to solve problems faster and smarter using computers and calculators rather than drill and kill. These studies would have several sections during the day which would last as long as the standard work day. The projects done in class would make students feel they are doing something important and practical for the real world rather than just filling out endless multiple choice questions with no defined goal.  
     
    • All children should receive free education in public school  
    I guess this is not that bad, except that kids won’t be striving anyways because they are all going to live the same mediocrity in life that the kid that slacks off and dose not strive to better themselves…It’s like having a pole with a carrot at the end of a string…only there is no carrot.  
    ... The carrot would be the drive to finish projects given by the teacher in their group, ultimately doing something that seems important and isn't monotonous like test, study, homework, test, study, homework ....Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2009
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    The people gain whatever riches they earn and someone is making these riches -hence hearing stories of rags to riches. this may be as rare as winning the lottery but not random at all. If you have ambition then you will make it.  
    ... not just ambition alone will make it. You could be very ambitious towards making pies out of Styrofoam but I doubt you will get rich or even survive for that matter on them.  
     
    if you are lazy well then you won't.  
    ... The guy getting welfare sitting on his ass smoking dope makes more money than most that working part time and or minimum wage.  
     
    The government will always try to move towards socialism and communism. I don't need you to tell me all about your perfect communistic state because that's not what I want and it's not better than free market.  
    ... Thats fine I created this mostly because I like friendly debate. I have stated many times my version of communism pure communism cant work for humans because of human nature.  
     
    Free markets are ruled by the ambitious not the rich.  
    ... The laziest rich person has a ton more rule over the market than an entire army of ambitious burger flippers. Remember the lazy rich guy hired a team of people to do his market manipulations for him.  
     
    Wealth is a side effect of ambition.  
    ... There isn't too many poor but ambitious people stuck in the bottom of society who aren't wealthy at all even though they work their whole lives. With all their ambition they still can only afford giving their kids debt when they die.  
     
    we cannot not say that we know what each individual mans happiness holds so we must give him the maximum amount of range.  
    ... With a max amount of range I would like to be happy without money making me unhappy. So this range is limited by laws and money which = unhappy and more unhappy.  
     
    all men are equal so we cannot give some men more range than others.  
    ... If all men are equal then we would be ants and my pure communism would work very well.  
     
    Therefore we have equal rights and a communist state cannot make everyone happy unless they are all voluntary. I will not volunteer myself so get the fuck out with this commy BS.  
    ... Why not volunteer it gives you a sense of good with accomplishment and sometimes purpose that is rather intoxicating more so than getting paid for what was done. I have found if I just take money and or bill for my IT work that sensation goes away and isn't really replaced by the $50-$500 I received.  
     
    Re-focusing once again free markets allow people to trade fairly what wealth they have for what wealth they want.  
    ... Ok I have one dollar and would like to trade it for one million dollars. I don't think this will work, if you demand this in a bank you may get to see why most zoo animals try to escape.  
     
    what they think will make them happy. if you want schools that are free for all then build a school and pay for it yourself and make it free of charge for others.  
    ... See the money thing creates this greed thing which is actually a primal survival instinct for food and mating ground rather than a primal desire for a new car. This completely inhibits the want to give up money and so setting up a free school that is at all good and not funded by a religion suddenly becomes an impossibility because of its insurmountable cost to do so.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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    What's the incentive for progress though?  
     
    I mean, I could argue for both sides, but a free market economy definitely has more incentives and is more fit for ambitious people. This pure communism almost sounds if everybody is sitting around doing nothing, magically receiving a fair share.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Hedge funds.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009 edited
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    the incentive would be progress itself or the good feeling you get for accomplishing something you wanted to do or feeling as if you are part of something bigger, and the fact that there needs too be visible tangible incentives is why it woun't work with our mindset.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorKen
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    See...I guess it was my bad...I thought you were trying to be logical and realistic.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    No it's merely an exercise to show the folly of people as a whole, and possibly show people what could be if everyone drops their want for money and stuff.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    And to rattle a bunch of cages because people don't really know what communism was supposed to be.  
     
    It was supposed to have a 100% vote for everything so it actually is more democratic in that sense than the US is right now.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Actually most of my stuff is logical and realistic for example: why would people have a hobby racing RC cars? All it does is waste money and is a lot of work prepping, building, fixing, and rebuilding the cars, but in the end you get the satisfaction of finishing the build accomplishing something even thought it had a negative monetary value to it. Now you can apply that to all work and you will find you like your job better and you will end up working harder at it without even thinking about a raise. That is called ambition and it doesn't need money to make it work!Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorsialer
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Why is it in every single one of my statements you respond with absurd outrageous statements?  
     
    Statement  
    "The people gain whatever riches they earn and someone is making these riches -hence hearing stories of rags to riches. this may be as rare as winning the lottery but not random at all. If you have ambition then you will make it.  
    ... not just ambition alone will make it. You could be very ambitious towards making pies out of Styrofoam but I doubt you will get rich or even survive for that matter on them."  
     
    Response  
    "I mean ambitious as a characteristic of human nature. Man is naturally ambitious. That is why big government does not work. Man always seeks out luxury. Do men not work? for a living. They do not seek to live. If mans desire was merely to survive; then microwaves and cars would not exist. Man invents new things for luxury. we could walk to San Fransisco but wouldn't it be easier to drive? We could heat our food with a fire. or should we do it with a micriawave."  
     
    Statement  
    "if you are lazy well then you won't.  
    ... The guy getting welfare sitting on his ass smoking dope makes more money than most that working part time and or minimum wage."  
     
    Response  
    "This is the government and as I like to call them looters. Looters are anyone who assists in stealing weather it be through their ignorance or through there genius. But anyway the government you want to become bigger is stealing your money. And I have a question for you suzukiman, What do you do when a carpenter gets paid more than a fry cook. or the leader of the government gets paid more than a farmer. and if you give all only what they need to live is when some men will respond but I require more. when men stop competing and when men will walk away from your Utopian society."  
     
    Statement  
    "The government will always try to move towards socialism and communism. I don't need you to tell me all about your perfect communistic state because that's not what I want and it's not better than free market.  
    ... Thats fine I created this mostly because I like friendly debate. I have stated many times my version of communism pure communism cant work for humans because of human nature."  
     
    Response  
    "So do you agree with free markets or not.I personally don't have time for people who like the devils advocate. It's like trying to show people how much your real opinions are flawed. If you can't build your beliefs on 100% reason and logic then you might be a mystic."  
     
    Statement  
    Wealth is a side effect of ambition.  
    ... There isn't too many poor but ambitious people stuck in the bottom of society who aren't wealthy at all even though they work their whole lives. With all their ambition they still can only afford giving their kids debt when they die.  
     
    Response  
    "When someone can't debate it doesn't mean that we should ban arguments. your failure is not a counter to my success. Because some can't doesn't mean those who can shouldn't."  
     
    Statement  
    "we cannot not say that we know what each individual mans happiness holds so we must give him the maximum amount of range.  
    ... With a max amount of range I would like to be happy without money making me unhappy. So this range is limited by laws and money which = unhappy and more unhappy."  
     
    Response  
    "I will not sacrifice my happiness for the undeserved luxury of others."  
     
     
     
     
    Note. I will finish responding but I need to get my post numbers up.  
    JK. I'm not going to waste the rest of my time because he is just arguing devils advocate.Ignorance is bliss... but only to those who don't know better.
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      CommentAuthorsialer
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Suzukiman: the incentive would be progress itself or the good feeling you get for accomplishing something you wanted to do or feeling as if you are part of something bigger, and the fact that there needs too be visible tangible incentives is why it woun't work with our mindset.
     
     
    Right because self sacrifice when you don't profit. giving someone (you) unearned luxury at my expense and working for something when I get no return and putting my best foot froward when you don't is what gives me a big rewarding feeling.  
    It's more like I'm sitting on a dick so you can rest in your throne built from my dead broken bones. Nice way of saying I don't want to work so if I can convince him the public needs all of everyone elses work then I can slack and no one will notice. Well since all the smart and rich people invent and keep this failing economy running and you want to take away their figurative sex drive; ever see unichs reproduce? I won't slave so you can slack and if not you then many others. the government gives welfare and when people get hurt they sure do like to take their goddamn time rehabilitating on my dad's money. And jesus christ every mother fucker that gets fired likes to take a whole damn six month to get a new job. So there is your ethical population. 2 things no one can change people and your rights. people can lie about your rights and you can lie to people but your rights aren't changed. you can believe in god but that doesn't make him real.Ignorance is bliss... but only to those who don't know better.
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      CommentAuthorsialer
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Suzukiman: Actually most of my stuff is logical and realistic for example: why would people have a hobby racing RC cars? All it does is waste money and is a lot of work prepping, building, fixing, and rebuilding the cars, but in the end you get the satisfaction of finishing the build accomplishing something even thought it had a negative monetary value to it. Now you can apply that to all work and you will find you like your job better and you will end up working harder at it without even thinking about a raise. That is called ambition and it doesn't need money to make it work!
     
     
    ok you wanna clean my room for fucking free? better than racing RC cars right. Lot cheaper to. Thats the dumbest "reasoning" I've ever heard of. And if you are going to take devils advocate once again don't post because no one wants to hear a ignorant post about how doing things to improve our lives are bad for us and how when we injure ourselves by giving up our own time energy and resources is the "right thing".Ignorance is bliss... but only to those who don't know better.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    ok you wanna clean my room for fucking free? better than racing RC cars right. Lot cheaper to.  
    ... Well once you finish cleaning your room don't you get a feeling of accomplishment?  
     
    Thats the dumbest "reasoning" I've ever heard of.  
    ... How so?  
     
    And if you are going to take devils advocate once again don't post because no one wants to hear a ignorant post about how doing things to improve our lives are bad for us and how when we injure ourselves by giving up our own time energy and resources is the "right thing".  
    ... not improving life as a whole, is bad. Improving everyones quality of life is the goal I have been talking about. How do you suppose you can injure yourself by giving time and energy?Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorAprz
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Blah, you guys need to chill and let the government do the thinking for us.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Right because self sacrifice when you don't profit. giving someone (you) unearned luxury at my expense and working for something when I get no return and putting my best foot froward when you don't is what gives me a big rewarding feeling.  
    ... I think you got the concept wrong, it's not one person working directly for another because the other wishes it. It would be more like landscaping a park as a community service, but instead you may be working at a company to help make sure there is enough rebar and or cement mix, to continue constructing buildings, which will be used for everything from schools to apartments to that patio you wanted in your backyard. So when your off work at the cement factory you go home and lo and behold free cement mix you had picked up over the weekend, you go to the free fridge, built by a similar worker in a similar company, and pull out a free snack, made in a similar fashion.  
     
    It's more like I'm sitting on a dick so you can rest in your throne built from my dead broken bones.  
    ... not really.  
     
    Nice way of saying I don't want to work so if I can convince him the public needs all of everyone elses work then I can slack and no one will notice.  
    ... and that is why it turns into forced labor and becomes a totalitarianism.  
     
    Well since all the smart and rich people invent and keep this failing economy running and you want to take away their figurative sex drive; ever see unichs reproduce?  
    ... It's a different drive completely and a rather less stressful one. Being a unich really isn't a good analogy. It would be more like taking billy bob's sheep away and giving him a girlfriend instead.  
     
    I won't slave so you can slack and if not you then many others. the government gives welfare and when people get hurt they sure do like to take their goddamn time rehabilitating on my dad's money. And jesus christ every mother fucker that gets fired likes to take a whole damn six month to get a new job. So there is your ethical population. 2 things no one can change people and your rights. people can lie about your rights and you can lie to people but your rights aren't changed. you can believe in god but that doesn't make him real.  
    ... and that is what has to change before the system I am talking about will ever work correctly.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    its only 3:30 am I'm still at work.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009 edited
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    Suzukiman, it's been tried before (North Korea) and failed bitterly (North Korea)  
    All humans, everywhere, at every period of development have traded for their hard work, and weaned some kind of wealth off of it (with the exception of slaves which no longer exist) There have always been blacksmiths who make money from their craft, and always a master blacksmith whos items are prized. Its the human way to expect compensation for work, or demand it. Even in the oldest days we traded, etc. A baker bakes for profit, so forth. North Korea tried to eliminate it and just look where it got them.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    wait you said "let government do thinking" is it holloween already or is this just a slasher film? because that phrase scares me.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    I know it sucks that it wount work because people are people. as sialer said "i'm not working if I don't have to" which is how many people think.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    So why are 3 of you scrambling around the forum this early??? I thought I was the only one here 24-7Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorAprz
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2009
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    Suzukiman: wait you said "let government do thinking" is it holloween already or is this just a slasher film? because that phrase scares me.
     
    I was joking.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
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    oh good scared for a second there I was worried that the government intelligence side may not be able to keep upLooking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
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    Im always on at 3-4amSuperhero!
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
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    man I thought I was the only one that stayed at work that longLooking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorworm
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
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    i sleep at 2am and up by 7am. you guys are nutts.i am a worm.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2009
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    Today I woke up at 2:45 but only because I wanted to work out and make breakfast.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorAprz
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009
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    I sleep whenever Ifeel like it. :P
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009
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    You probably get tired a lot and have insomnia. Most people do if they dont have 'routine' so to speak.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2009
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    AyaHu: Today I woke up at 2:45 but only because I wanted to work out and make breakfast.
     
     
    It's funny that I'm fond of jogging at that time, yet usually before some quality sack time, not following.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
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    Aprz:
    Suzukiman: wait you said "let government do thinking" is it holloween already or is this just a slasher film? because that phrase scares me.
     
    I was joking.
     
     
    The funny part is most of america thinks this way.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
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    well the government should lay off a bunch of management and clean house bring in a bunch of new people that know how to manage and get rid of useless jobs along with consolidating human resources and streamlining the whole thing cut out all the fat in the laws and regulations too.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
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    I'm torn. Yes, the economy would be much worse in the short term, if the major banking institutions failed. However, smaller, more successful businesses should be able to buy their assets and expand. Survival of the fittest. It's a matter of deciding the lesser of two evils.
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      CommentAuthorsialer
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    Sasquatch: I'm torn. Yes, the economy would be much worse in the short term, if the major banking institutions failed. However, smaller, more successful businesses should be able to buy their assets and expand. Survival of the fittest. It's a matter of deciding the lesser of two evils.
     
     
    There is no evil in the capitalism. unless your definition of evil contains prosperity.  
     
     
    Suzukiman: well the government should lay off a bunch of management and clean house bring in a bunch of new people that know how to manage and get rid of useless jobs along with consolidating human resources and streamlining the whole thing cut out all the fat in the laws and regulations too.
     
     
    how would this help?Ignorance is bliss... but only to those who don't know better.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    It would make the government more effective and streamlined. It would also cut the cost of running the government and it would make everything in the government run faster.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    alot faster.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    heck you could automate a ton of government jobs by running computers that will do data processing way faster you could even leave some of the policy making to computers. If you don't like the better version of living I've proposed get rid of the extra weight in this government you don't need the representatives change it from the republic of the united stated to an actual democracy and all votes are done on super secure uncontrollable monitored computer systems. get rid of several large sections of government and save something like 1 trillion or more a year on paychecks assets and wasted usables like paper and pens.Looking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    This is the 200th comment on this thread.
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      CommentAuthorSuzukiman
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
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    that should mean this is page five wooooooootLooking for my head ............... yeah the eight valve one yeah ....