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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
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    Are you for or against health care reform?  
     
    I am for it because every time the rates go up I have to pay more and more. Plus the co-pays are getting pretty expensive. They keep saying under this plan everyone will be on waiting lists but I think thats good... it means there are people actually getting help now. When I was working at Fry's I remember my health insurance being $200 a month and when I would see my doctor I wouldn't even get checked, he would take my co-pay and turn me away. wtf.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
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    Of course we need reform. How to reform, that is the pickle.
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      CommentAuthorLiana Mei
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
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    You never realize what you have until its no longer there. As someone who has had emergency operations and chronic conditions, I would hate to be on a government plan. You can't afford to wait...it could cost your life. If you give someone with stage four cancer millions of dollars, chances are it won't do much good because it will be too late. The point? In healthcare, time is far more important than dollars...which is why healthcare should be in the care of the doctors not the insurance and certainly not the gov.  
     
    So, anyway, that's my two cents.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
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    If we were in a depression and everyone had no job and we were in turmoil, I could see the beauty of putting something in place where all people can afford healthcare, IE free, but we have been showing steady growth in the economy, slow and steady, besides this ovscure circumstance which didnt even come oto pass, ... I don't agree with any form of socialism.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2009
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    It also begs the question why do people from Canada, England, France, the Mid East and elsewhere come to the US to get treatment. Compared to what is offered here, the rest of the world's healthcare is substandard (no matter what Michael Moore may put in his films). I work for a large hospital system in the Texas Medical Center that does a lot of residency training. There are always issues with the level of education of students that come from foreign countries.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
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    I'll be alright as long as doctors still get paid bank, because I fully intend to become a surgeon.Superhero!
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    ObiWan: It also begs the question why do people from Canada, England, France, the Mid East and elsewhere come to the US to get treatment. Compared to what is offered here, the rest of the world's healthcare is substandard (no matter what Michael Moore may put in his films). I work for a large hospital system in the Texas Medical Center that does a lot of residency training. There are always issues with the level of education of students that come from foreign countries.
     
     
     
    Dude are you serious? Substandard. Stop being so arrogant. The US healthcare system sucks. I broke my wrist when I was younger and they had to rebreak it twice because the doctors had no idea what they were doing. It ended up costing me and my family 10 grand. After rebreaking it the 2nd time and still not being able to fix it I flew back to Canada and went to see an old family doctor. He did it right and it was done for free. Didn't have to wait. Yes for major things it might take time but there is also no cost to the patient and people who come from overseas come for the type of treatment that is specialized and are willing to pay thousands of dollars.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
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    Everyone who actually LIVES in Canada, that I have ever come into contact with has hated their healthcare. America is not great, there are people dying on the floor of our ERs because of wait times, but according to the people I've met, it's better than Canada.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
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    Much obviously depends upon which doctor you go to. As I said, I work in the Texas Medical Center, and there are some physicians and facilities that are highly credible, and others that are not. But, if I had something serious like cancer or a brain aneurism, I'd rather have it treated here than in Canada or elsewhere (and yes, I've witnessed surgery to correct a brain anueism).
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
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    I think if health care was free there would be more preventative care. Meaning people would be going more often and preventing anything serious where its not too late.  
     
    I hear some US citizens are going to other countries to get organ transplants because the waiting list is ridiculous in US for certain organs.  
     
    The waiting game proves there are people who need help. Is it fair to let these people go not get help.  
     
    If you had a brain aneurism your insurance would drop you here in America. The insurance companies goal like Fry's PSC is to not help you when something happens.
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009
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    asdf: I think if health care was free there would be more preventative care. .
     
     
    How could healthcare be "free"? Someone has to pay the costs for the doctors,nurses, etc. These costs have to be paid fo somehow. Either throught the insurance premiums that are paid by corporations and the deductions employees pay through their paycheck, or through taxes that go to Social Security. There is this misguided notion that somehow we - you,me, AyaHu, everyone - won't have to pay dime one for healthcare. That is a crock. That scenerio only happens in communist/socialist countries where the government essentially ownes everything.  
     
    Most health insurance companies, and many employers have "wellness" programs to help address your preventive care issue. Unfortunately, most employees don't take advantage of them (and those services are usually "free" to the employee - they're part of their health insurance coverage and there's no additional cost to participate in them).  
     
    Is our current healthcare system perfect? Nope. Are some changes needed to the insurance, pharmacutical and healthcare provider industries to improve them? Yep. Are Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Frank the best people to determine what level of healthcare I deserve? Heck no.  
     
    As to your comment about citizens waiting for organ transplants. Keep in mind that someone first has to DIE oft times for that transplant. Second, not everyone wants to be an organ donor. And sometimes the grieving family doesn't want their loved one to be an organ donor (fwiw, the hospital I work for does flights daily to do "organ harvesting"). Add into that there needs to be a perfect match from the donor to the receipient (a factor that's often hard to achieve). Finally as to US citizens going to other countries, as I've said before, the level and skills of healthcare in other countries pales to what we have here. Add into that mix the higher level of infectious diseases and lower standards/controls that other countries have in their healhcare systems.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeAug 14th 2009 edited
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    I meant free as in freedom where personal extra cost is a restriction. Free and equal access.  
     
    For example I pay for the roads and freeways though taxes but I don't use the toll roads. I consider driving down these roads and freeways as being free and with no additional cost. The cost of toll roads are a restriction.  
     
    Some things like health care should be socialized like education and many social services already provided by our country because i think your everyones health is important including yours Obiwan.  
     
    I know people who are already on government programs like Medicare or Medical which get better health care with higher priority service than insurance plans. I am confused to see that they dont get turned away from their doctors.
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    Ahh but they do, alot of the families on medicare and state paid medical have to make well visits either months in advance or have to sit there and call everyday to see if they can get in for a visit as they arent a priority and if they are sick OHH hell you have to go to the ER you will not get in to see a doctor. we need insurance reform not healthcare reform
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2009
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    Exactly. Ask anyone who LIVES in Canada, they will say they dislike it. I too dislike the notion.Superhero!
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    obi..how many jobs have you had?....thought you worked some where else...btw its all about money..healthcare is a business...the money is in the treatment not the cure...
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2009 edited
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    An easier question would be how many firms have I worked for. I spent some 20+ years in the insurance agency/brokerage/company industry and worked for about six different places (two of those were ceased by the California Department of Insurance). After relocating from L.A. to Houston to keep my current job, the employer I worked for announced they were closing their Houston office and transferring everything to their home office in Chicago (yeah...they lied). I made the switch to working for a large hospital (i.e. multiple locations) in Houston in their risk management department.  
     
    FWIW, there is money in both treatment and researching cures. You would not have as many research hospitals and universities if there wasn't a monitary benefit (and humanitarian benefit) to search for cures.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2009 edited
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2009
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    I've been lucky enough not to have to deal with too many health problems, but the more and more I'm educating myself on the subject, the more I realize that things need to be changed. There is definitely a danger that the government can make things worse, and that's why there should be a real debate as to how to do this, but it's mistake is to think that everything is fine the way it is.  
     
    ObiWan:But, if I had something serious like cancer or a brain aneurism, I'd rather have it treated here than in Canada or elsewhere (and yes, I've witnessed surgery to correct a brain anueism).
    I agree that we have the best treatment, but what if your insurance refused to pay for it? Or found you while you were in between jobs? Medical costs are the number one cause of bankruptcies in the US. And wouldn't it be better if you had regular screening and they found your cancer early when it's more easily treated than after you get sick and require aggressive treatment?  
     
    Guest: Ahh but they do, alot of the families on medicare and state paid medical have to make well visits either months in advance or have to sit there and call everyday to see if they can get in for a visit as they arent a priority and if they are sick OHH hell you have to go to the ER you will not get in to see a doctor. we need insurance reform not healthcare reform
     
    Insurance is a huge part of it, but you've got to reduce some of the health care and administrative costs to make insurance reform feasible. The point isn't to say "Insurance companies are evil, let force these regulations on them." I don't think that. Insurance companies are simply businesses that follow good business models to survive. Regulating them to death doesn't help the problem. Electronic records is is one example since that can reduce administrative costs.  
     
    asdf:I think if health care was free there would be more preventative care
     
    ObiWan:Most health insurance companies, and many employers have "wellness" programs to help address your preventive care issue. Unfortunately, most employees don't take advantage of them (and those services are usually "free" to the employee - they're part of their health insurance coverage and there's no additional cost to participate in them).
     
    The 24 Hour Fitness discount from Fry's is great, and it's nice to know I have some therapy and acupuncture options should I need them. There's a difference though between getting some Weight Watchers perks and true preventative care requiring doctor's visits for check-ups and screening tests which don't fall under any wellness program I know of.  
     
    AyaHu: Exactly. Ask anyone who LIVES in Canada, they will say they dislike it. I too dislike the notion.
     
    I don't know too many people from Canada, but from the conversations I've had - they may complain, but if you ask if they would swap their system with a system where you could lose your your health care if your company goes out of business or your insurance company can legally pull your coverage if you get cancer (ie; the times when you need it the most), they would say no way.  
     
    Sasquatch: Steve Jobs probably has no complaints.
     
    Funny that that clip was what reminded me to come here to post on this thread.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2009 edited
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    Sasquatch: http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/08/14/jon-stewart-owns-glenn-beck-on-healthcare-hypocrisy/  
     
    Steve Jobs probably has no complaints.
     
     
    Yeah our heath care is so awesome, you can almost die receiving it.  
     
    This week I've completed a software/hardware solution for a quality control company which monitors personal hygene in hospitals. Basically our technology sends out a signal from units attached to our servers where it logs usage. At first I thought this solution was stupid, but now I think its so awesome.. It's just another hoop lawyers have to jump through when it comes to patients suing their doctors.  
     
    * Edited out proprietary information
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeAug 16th 2009
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    Sounds useful for upkeep. Sounds too frivolous for a court of law.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2009
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    Nonetheless, this is why I voted for some obscure green party member. So I couldnt be to blame.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorsomeone
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009
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    I dont think we need an overall government issued healthcare.. but it gets problematic in our system when you have pre-existing conditions.. If it was for employer covered healthcare, it'll be hard to find affordable insurance and a lot of emploer health care plans require that your pre-existing condition to be covered by your previous employer plan as well and if not, you may have to jump through hoops to get it covered or have a longer waiting period.. But it is the insurance companies business to make money but some things do need to be taken care of.Hiya kids. Here is an important message from your Uncle Bill. Don't buy drugs. Become a pop star, and they give you them for free!
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
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    AyaHu: Nonetheless, this is why I voted for some obscure green party member. So I couldnt be to blame.
     
    That's a bit of a cop out, isn't it? I expected better.  
     
     
    someone: I dont think we need an overall government issued healthcare..
     
    There isn't any plan in the works for "an overall government issued healthcare."  
     
    ". . .it is the insurance companies business to make money but some things do need to be taken care of"
     
    So here's the big question: Should access to health care be decided by the free market? If you say it's a free market and the market decides that a pre-existing condition you have is not likely to be profitable, then would you agree you should not be able to get insurance? If you say no, there needs to be something available for everyone, how do you do it without a public option?
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2009
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    AyaHu: Nonetheless, this is why I voted for some obscure green party member. So I couldnt be to blame.
     
     
    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
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    I have a relative in England who has to deal with the socialized medicine over there and it sucks. Waiting lists are a bigger problem then you think. He had to wait seven years to get a back surgery. By the time he was able to get the surgery he was at an age where there are a lot of risks for such a big surgery. And when he got it done, they messed up so he had to go back on another waiting list to get another surgery. He just said screw it. So he just delt with the pain in his back for the rest of his life.  
     
    Haveing the government control our health care here is not going to make the doctors here invincible. We all are still just human, there for we make mistakes. If we have the government control it, then we can't sue them if anything goes wrong. It's exactly like that if you're in the military and you use a military hospital, you are not allowed to sue the hospital if something goes wrong.  
     
    The health care here is fine. It may not be the best, but it's also not the worst. Insurance can be affordable but people today choose to spend 400 a month on a new car then on their health. If they all just sort out their priorties to begin with, most everyone probably wouldn't be in debt up to their necks. And if not such a large amount of people weren't in debt, then maybe the economy would be a whole lot better.
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2009 edited
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    gossipgirl025: I have a relative in England who has to deal with the socialized medicine over there and it sucks. Waiting lists are a bigger problem then you think. He had to wait seven years to get a back surgery. By the time he was able to get the surgery he was at an age where there are a lot of risks for such a big surgery. And when he got it done, they messed up so he had to go back on another waiting list to get another surgery. He just said screw it. So he just delt with the pain in his back for the rest of his life.
     
     
    ""I was duped" - Brits furious over GOP healthcare claims"  
     
    I'm sorry about your relative, but everything I've found points to the opposite (not saying it didn't happen, but more of an exception (plus, that's not what is being proposed here for the US). There was an editorial talking about how if the scientist Stephen Hawking had to rely on British Healthcare, he'd be dead. The problem is he is British and said he "wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS." Five years ago in Canada, they voted for the Greatest Canadian. The winner was the guy that created their healthcare system.  
     
     
    Haveing the government control our health care here is not going to make the doctors here invincible. We all are still just human, there for we make mistakes. If we have the government control it, then we can't sue them if anything goes wrong. It's exactly like that if you're in the military and you use a military hospital, you are not allowed to sue the hospital if something goes wrong.
     
     
    This is simply not true. First, there is no plan that puts the government in control of all health care. There is no plan to have a system like Canada or England, so the comparisons, false as as they are, don't even matter as the BBC report said at the end. Also, if you did end up on a government plan, that doesn't stop you from suing the doctor or hospital for malpractice if something goes wrong because the government is providing the insurance not the procedure. If anything, it saves the government money since they wouldn't have to reimburse the hospital.  
     
     
     
    The health care here is fine. It may not be the best, but it's also not the worst. Insurance can be affordable but people today choose to spend 400 a month on a new car then on their health. If they all just sort out their priorties to begin with, most everyone probably wouldn't be in debt up to their necks. And if not such a large amount of people weren't in debt, then maybe the economy would be a whole lot better.
     
     
    The health care here is NOT fine. Our health care now is like our housing market before the crash a year ago, except several times worse. All the insurance companies (banks) might say it's fine and it might feel that way, but we're on our way to something really bad if we don't change things as the boomers start to retire. Yes, people need to take a greater stock of their priorities, but we have a system now where you can do everything right and still completely get screwed. There was a nurse that got diagnosed with breast cancer, got her treatment pre-approved by her insurance and was just about to start treatment when she found out her coverage was canceled. Just like that, they said we're not paying for anything. Why? Because she went to the doctor to get treatment for acne a few years before and didn't list it on her insurance application. This is legal and when asked if they would stop doing it:  
     
    "Health Care CEOs and rescission of individual insurance policies"  
     
    I feel like I am coming across like I'm totally for Obama's plans 100%, and I'm not by a long shot. I'm not so sure about the public option, but not for the stupid fear mongering reasons thrown around. I think there there could be problem for it to remain solvent without taxpayer help if all the leftover insurees get dumped to it. There are other real problems with the plan too, but the discussion is so focused on "big brother" government mania that has nothing to do with it - it drowns the discussion. The public option a a big part but there's a lot that's lumped in the NEEDS to be passed and I fear there's a real chance that all of it just dies.  
     
    The right drum up this fear to press a separate agenda and want to torpedo the whole thing. Compromise is suggested and the left get pissed that they don't get their government health care option and want to trash the whole thing rather than "give in". And then nothing gets done. We can wait, but fixing it down the road is going to be a lot more painful than now.  
     
    You can think what you want about the situation. I just hope that you look what the real issues are and not base your assumptions on false pretenses or misinformation. And thank you to anyone that actually read all that.  
     
     
    edit: I guess you can't embed youtube, some grammer and to clarify point on gossipgirl025's relative
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      CommentAuthorjenseri
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2009 edited
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    I am against health care reform because  
     
    1) The deficit gonna go sky rocket  
    2) More government power  
    3) Illegals are included  
    4) Tax go up for middle class:face-plain:  
     
    and where is obama gonna get the money from? anyone knows? and Obama said this Health Care Reform is crucial for our economy to be back up again, honestly to me it doesn't make sense, because millions of Americans don't have a job. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2009
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    5) Obama is going to murder all the old people.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2009 edited
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    im already fucken taxed $600 a week. i wouldnt mind paying more. but i dont think we will be paying more because the costs should go lower.
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
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    My political science professor goes off on the world's largest tangent when asked about health care.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
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    fryguy: Long, but interesting read.  
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande
     
     
    I completely agree with this article.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
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    TLWTRBDR.
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    Sasquatch: My political science professor goes off on the world's largest tangent when asked about health care.
     
     
    When I'm thinking about the health care reform debate, my mind goes on long tangents about political science.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    fryguy:
    Sasquatch: My political science professor goes off on the world's largest tangent when asked about health care.
     
     
    When I'm thinking about the health care reform debate, my mind goes on long tangents about political science.
     
     
    I talk about the brain washed public.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    Sasquatch: TLWTRBDR.
    Superhero!
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      CommentAuthormeinside100
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009 edited
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    I'm against health care reform because like an old finance professor of mine once said, "The single and childless pay for everything in America indirectly or directly....just look at our tax code". Years ago they wanted to have mandated health care in Georgia just like Massachusetts. The governor and legislature had it in their head that people w/o kids were "rich" and should pay most of it.  
     
    Prime example I pay about $100.00 a month now. If that law passed several years ago I would be paying about 400 bucks for the same coverage!!!!!!! So some low-income, useless to society, baby factory could pop out kids and my money going to her kids having "free" health care.  
     
    I believe that insurance is a product you either qualify for or not and the govt has no right to redistribute wealth for those who don't have it to get it. What next? Free car insurance for the poor?  
     
    On top of that I wonder how many of the 40 million Americans who dont have health insurance can afford it BUT CHOOSE not to.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    The problem is the cost of health care is ridiculous. Regardless of your $100 a month your paying. $100 a month is just a license to pay a percentage of the costs... not the full cost of a medical procedure. And when you do pay your percentage its over priced because your paying for all the middlemen, uninsured, equipment, staff, training, schooling, insurance, lawsuits, and other crap that is not related to the medical procedure. A week stay at a hospital can cost you $90,000 without insurance, $20,000 with insurance. Even simple single dose of Aspirin will cost you $150 a pill. The middlemen are ripping you off.  
     
    The whole point is to add regulation which will lower costs. It would be nice to have a base option, making the middlemen compete to win customers.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    One of these days we're going to have selective breeding. The Earth is nearing the Fire Marshall's maximum occupancy. Only one exit, too.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    Every man for themselves. It's the only way to be fair.
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    asdf: The problem is the cost of health care is ridiculous. Regardless of your $100 a month your paying. $100 a month is just a license to pay a percentage of the costs... not the full cost of a medical procedure. And when you do pay your percentage its over priced because your paying for all the middlemen, uninsured, equipment, staff, training, schooling, insurance, lawsuits, and other crap that is not related to the medical procedure. A week stay at a hospital can cost you $90,000 without insurance, $20,000 with insurance. Even simple single dose of Aspirin will cost you $150 a pill. The middlemen are ripping you off.  
     
    The whole point is to add regulation which will lower costs. It would be nice to have a base option, making the middlemen compete to win customers.
     
     
    Yeah so why not take a whole bottle of aspirin instead and just end it?Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorfryguy
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    AyaHu:
    asdf: The problem is the cost of health care is ridiculous. Regardless of your $100 a month your paying. $100 a month is just a license to pay a percentage of the costs... not the full cost of a medical procedure. And when you do pay your percentage its over priced because your paying for all the middlemen, uninsured, equipment, staff, training, schooling, insurance, lawsuits, and other crap that is not related to the medical procedure. A week stay at a hospital can cost you $90,000 without insurance, $20,000 with insurance. Even simple single dose of Aspirin will cost you $150 a pill. The middlemen are ripping you off.  
     
    The whole point is to add regulation which will lower costs. It would be nice to have a base option, making the middlemen compete to win customers.
     
     
    Yeah so why not take a whole bottle of aspirin instead and just end it?
     
     
    Can't. The whole bottle is too expensive and insurance won't cover it .
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      CommentAuthorAyaHu
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009
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    I meant over the counter from a drug store before the whole thing goes down.Superhero!
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
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    BYOD = Bring your own drugs into the hospital so your more prepared.  
     
    The 40 million who do not have healthcare but
    meinside100: On top of that I wonder how many of the 40 million Americans who dont have health insurance can afford it BUT CHOOSE not to.
     
     
    These people are high risk takers who have aids and theres nothing anyone can do to help. Drug cocktails are costing $1500 a month and their insurance premiums are $500 a month.
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      CommentAuthorSasquatch
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
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    fryguy:
    AyaHu:
    asdf: The problem is the cost of health care is ridiculous. Regardless of your $100 a month your paying. $100 a month is just a license to pay a percentage of the costs... not the full cost of a medical procedure. And when you do pay your percentage its over priced because your paying for all the middlemen, uninsured, equipment, staff, training, schooling, insurance, lawsuits, and other crap that is not related to the medical procedure. A week stay at a hospital can cost you $90,000 without insurance, $20,000 with insurance. Even simple single dose of Aspirin will cost you $150 a pill. The middlemen are ripping you off.  
     
    The whole point is to add regulation which will lower costs. It would be nice to have a base option, making the middlemen compete to win customers.
     
     
    Yeah so why not take a whole bottle of aspirin instead and just end it?
     
     
    Can't. The whole bottle is too expensive and insurance won't cover it .
     
     
    Hahahaha.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
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    Show your support for Health Insurance Reform go here and sign this petition and check out the plan details  
    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hcsignonvid/?district=CA53&source=20090912_signon_vid_test_2
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    I have good health insurance through my company, and I'm not worried about getting laid off anytime soon.  
    It wouldn't bother me to pay a little more in taxes so that everyone could get the care they need.  
    It's shitty that so many people in America are one sickness away from losing their houses. It shouldn't be that way.
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
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    I'll pass on supporting the health insurance reform that's currently being proposed by the President and Congress. Government run health insurance is unhealthy for all.
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      CommentAuthorasdf
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
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    ObiWan: I'll pass on supporting the health insurance reform that's currently being proposed by the President and Congress. Government run health insurance is unhealthy for all.
     
     
    What evidence do you have to support this?  
     
    Current government run healthcare plans have worked well. Especially our own government healthcare for lower income families and elderly.
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      CommentAuthorObiWan
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
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    First, you do understand that no one in Congress has read the bills they're proposing, right. Second, you do understand that federal employees (which includes the President, Congress, etc.) are exempt from this public option they're proposing, right? Third, you do understand that Medicare/Medicaid pays only 60-80 cents for every dollare of healthcare provided, right? Fourth, you do understand that the "public option" includes government oversight/decision making as to who will and will not receive certain procedures, right?  
     
    Take a read of what several CEO's of hospitals in the Texas Medical Center have to say about their concerns over the proposed "public option" (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/6614927.html). Are changes needed? Sure. Be it from addressing the exclusion of pre-existing conditions, to the affordability. One thing of note - do you realize that there are many people to CHOOSE to opt out of their company provided health insurance simply to have more spending money? Those "uninsured" have insurance available, but choose NOT to be covered.